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I have taken tests where the results are ENFP or ENFJ. I know these 2 types are very similar, but what are the mjor differences between the 2? To clear up any J/P uncertainties once and for all, go here. Alternatively take the Socionics Type Assistant in both modes. Unless you are completely hopeless, it should give you your Socionics J/P result. Socionics J/P defines which function is the dominant. If it is J then dominant function is Thinking or Feeling, if it is P then the dominant function is Sensing or Intuition. Also, i am in love with an ISTP; does that make me more ENFP than ENFJ or vice versa? Being in love with someone of a certain type does not necessarily say something about your own type, since people can fall in love for all sorts of weird reasons. Hello, Thank you for your website & sharing your explorations. My T & F results always run a tight race on every one of these Jungian-based tests I've ever taken. The resulting "dominance" between my F & T scores only slightly shifts over all the tests I've tried with time (many tests I decoded just to see how close they were; often, dead-even - if possible). After reading myriad descriptions for INTP & INFP in trying to discern which best fits me, I've (amateurishly) decided that this system may be in more trouble than simply the J & P misconfigurations which you've already pondered/discovered with MBTI. I just can't help but tFhEiEnLk ;) that I'm VERY F *AND* VERY T - both faculties MUST agree in all I do. Thoughts? From the Socionics Type Assistant "Decider" section:
Is there any possibility within the coming months you could profile the types of the democratic presidential candidates? Although this website is hosted on the US servers, it is actually managed from the UK, hence the democratic presidential candidates are not quite on the priority list. I've read in many different places that INTJ's are strongly put off by flirting and "small talk," and that they also are never one to initiate contact. So, considering all of this, how might an INFJ female go about wooing an INTJ male? Get naked...? And, if INTJ's are so emotionally reserved, how might the INFJ know if the INTJ was interested in her as well? She'll now, unless it is a banana in his pocket. Comment from a reader Your site usually has fairly "meaty," helpful responses, but I must say, I was very disappointed in your answers to my INFJ wooing INTJ dilemma. First of all, your solution and "indicator" are stereotypically true in any male/female situation. Second of all, you left my questions generally unanswered--just appeasing them with blunt, crude comments. Why even bother posting such empty responses? Just for the juvenille kicks of a good laugh? Sorry Miss Jackson! I am pretty sure that I have an INTP personality type, as I have taken several tests and carefully considered the alternatives, such as INFP and INTJ. I'm sure I prefer Perceiving over Judging. If I have an INTP personality type, then why do all the INTJ descriptions in this site fit me better? It would help if you can give several specific "fit me better" examples supporting your claim. You can take the test @ http://socionicstypeassistant.com and provide the intercode, which could also help to answer your question. Alternatively, you can look here and here if you haven't done so yet. Comment from an INTP After submitting my question I compared INTJ and INTP descriptions again and found the INTP profile fit me better than I had previously thought (To which you respond "Why am I not surprised?"). I thought that the INTJ descriptions fit me better because it listed more behaviours I had observed in myself than the INTP descriptions. However as "INTJ or INTP?" stated, type is not about how you behave, it is about how your psyche is structured. Anyways, I do have two questions relating to the "INTJ or INTP?" article. It was stated that INTJs are mainly interested in gaining an understanding, and INTPs in exercising their knowledge. But I'm primarily interested in understanding, and actually doing is secondary or not a priority. Why is that? Maybe you just have logical subtype (refer to the subtypes question somewhere in Q&As). Also, "INTJ or INTP?" stated that INTJs are in their element when involved in science, invention, innovation, discovery, theory, explanation, interpretation, philosophy, etc. and INTPs are in their element when involved in business, enterprise, commerce, industry, trade, financial institutions, church etc. I am strongly interested in most of the areas listed as examples of the INTJ's element, and have almost no interest in the areas listed as the INTP's element, church excepted, though I wouldn't want that as an occupation. If INTPs are more naturally suited to these fields, shouldn't I have some interest in them? "Being in your element" is not quite the same as "being interested in" something. The areas listed for INTP (Socionics modelling) show the most obvious Ni+Te fields of activity (ability), which could also be the areas of interest for an INTP or not. "In many cases INTJ's are slim." I am INTJ and fat since I was about 8 years old. My parents are ISTJ and ISFP. I have no brothers or sisters. Is it possible I had an unconscious and poor self-image concerning relations with the outer world? Based on the information you have provided about yourself, trying to answer your question would be like pointing a finger to the sky ... over there. What kind of people find the on-line test impossible; also become bored quickly? Patient people? There seems to be a contradiction in these web pages: "Types by function" shows, eg, INTJ as TiNeFiSe and then "When you look past the acronym" shows INTJ as TiNeFeSi. Please clarify No contradiction there. "Types by function" shows only conscious functions. This site claims that the MBTI descriptions using functions are wrong by J/P, in the cases of introverted types. Still we see introverted MBTI types described by their functions all over the web and in many books available at bookstores. How come socionics is not commonly accepted as a better model, if it indeed is? Socionics IS commonly accepted as a better model, just not in the West yet. Lots of smart people must have thought long and hard about MBTI and Jungian functions ... Lots of smart people have thought long and hard about Socionics and Jungian functions too ... I become an INTJ when I sit in front of computer doing the test, or when I do the logical thinking and try to analyse a situation when I'm alone. But when with people, I become a feeling type, probably ENFP. Sometimes I'm NF, sometimes NT. How do I know which one I really am. Let's say you have to make an important choice. What would you trust more your logic or your intuition? Comment from a reader For the last question, don't you mean trust your logic or feelings? because wouldn't an NT trust both their logic and intuitions? Providing that whoever asked the question meant Socionics INTJ (why would anyone mean otherwise in here), there is no mistake. ENFP will trust their intuition more than their logic. It's easy to tell the difference between an intravert and an extravert in there extreme states, but how do you tell the difference when they're alot closer to the line between the two? This might sound a bit odd, but the surest way to tell whether a person is extrovert or introvert (or any other preference for that matter) is by identifying their type first. But how can you identify type if you don't know one of the preferences, you might ask? There are ways and one of them is VI. VI can often give you a complete type to start with, then all you have to do is verify it using other methods. On the other hand you cannot learn VI without also being able to identify types with other methods. So coming back to the question, how can you tell the type if a person has subtle E/I then? You just have to leave it for a time being and let it bother you while you carry on. Eventually, something will happen that will provide you with the answer, it always does. You all really think you're smart, don't you? Why don't you print out your cute little 'Q&A' section, roll it up, stick is sideways, and shove it up your collective asses. Love, econdude, INTJ And this is not a bad idea! Not that I want to look stupid trying to answer your replies, but if i'm not mistaken, feeling and thinking are the judging functions, right? So how could you use intuition to make a decision? Intuition is an information-gathering function, you cannot make decisions with it. So telling someone to decide what they would trust more in making an important choice, intuition or logic could be wrong (could it?), since you can't use intuition (by itself, at least) to make a decision. And I would like to say that I don't agree with econdude, you should not shove this Q&A section up your asses, because it is brilliant. Thanks for the complement! As for the question, ask yourself this: can your intuition influence the choices you make? You are an INTJ disarming a bomb. You have to cut a wire. There are 2 wires - red and blue. Your logic suggests that you have to cut the red wire but your intuition says it is wrong, it has to be the blue. You go with your logic...BOOM!!! You should have trusted your intuition, an ENFP would! Is it possible for a seemingly healthy ISFP to be catty and manipulative, or can you pretty much always take their kindness at face value? (I wish to know because I am ENTP, and I can't figure out if my ISFP girlfriend and I are playing games with each other or if it's all in my head) Yes, ISFPs can be very manipulative and catty and opportunistic and masters of intrigue. You can also find them amongst politicians. Here is mini "ISFP uncovered": During the school years ISFPs often manage to successfully manipulate their group opinion, usually against one particular person, initiating the group bitching and backstabbing. However after awhile, the tables turn on ISFPs too and they loose their authority and respect of the group. This loss they may never recover. Wow....That sounds a lot like an ISFP girl I used to be friends with. Is there any specific reason most ISFP's are like that? Yeah, bad wind. I noticed that you've added all the
sisters of the show Charmed to the celebrity page, except for the hot
one. WHY OHHH WHY?! Here, knock yourself out! Is there an article about Relation Of Benefit ? I have seen a lot of relationships of that. And this relation can really screw peoples lives up! People should be warned about that trap where they could fall! Here it goes, people warned now. Im definitely an INTJ.. Considering INTJ's are suposedly really smart... why do I get bad grades in school? It looks as if you have, supposedly, never seen a smartless INTJ. I test INTJ on the MBTI and also on the Socionics. I would like clarification. Would it be correct to say that the MBTI may type one correctly but if one is an introvert Myers/Briggs classifies one wrong as far as what (conscious) function is introverted and what (conscious) function is extroverted, i.e. they need to be reversed? Then would it be correct to say that a J (consciously) uses their T or F in their preferred world (I or E), and that a P (consciously) uses their S or N in their preferred world (I or E)? Thank you and I love your sense of humor. J/P question has already been covered several (thousands?) times. If you test INTJ on MBTI and Socionics your function order is likely to be Ti-Ne, which corresponds to INTP in MBTI type dynamics. In this case you are, theoretically, the victim of the "Introverted complexity No. 47" and the facilitating MBTI practitioner should spot this and correct the result (this is what they are paid for), so that you come up INTP not INTJ. So, did your MBTI practitioner make the necessary adjustment or didn't? With regard to a previously published comment. How to relations of benefit ruin one's life? That comment was probably related to a romantic relationship which happened to be the relation of Benefit. The relation is asymmetrical so you can say that in the romantic relationship, the Beneficiary feels for the Benefactor much more than gets in return. Call it "one way love" if you want. Hence there is obvious disbelieve, disappointment, depression, degradation, disease and death. Well, maybe not that extreme, but it can make a person very unhappy and vulnerable. My Friend (INTP) made the
undiplomatic claim that NTs are more apt at understanding people than
NFs (moi). I argued that given that Intuition and Feeling are both
equivocal areas. Intuition= the unknown and Feeling= the unknown (in
that it is personal, subjective) then NFs are better at appreciating the
subjective via their intuition. Since you did not specify which NF type
you are, it is impossible to address the specifics of your query. NF
with J will use their F differently than NF with P and ENF is not the
same as INF. Thanks for your reply. I guess I was
a bit vague: I type as INFP and my friend is INTP. The bone of
contention centered around the claim that NTs are the best at theorising
about all the types. In the theorising about, (intellectual apprehension
of) other types, he said it is much harder for (N)Fs to discard Feeling
to formulate "objective" understanding than what it is for NTs to
acquire Feeling as an "X" value (albeit inability to empathise with "X"
value). I disputed this by saying that my Intuition, not Feeling guide
my understanding of Non-Feeling types. I concluded by saying it is just
as hard for NFs to understand NTs as what it is for NTs to understand
NFs. Is this correct? First of all, it is important to
comprehend that there is "Feeling" and there is "personal feeling". They
are two different things you must not mix up. For "objective"
understanding you do need "Feeling", as it is the function that will
give you understanding about emotional content of the information you
receive from a person. You will also need all three others functions,
and the better they all are developed the better your "objective"
understanding will be. But it will never be 100% objective because you
will process this information according to your own type. The closest
you can get to the "objective" evaluation of a problem, is by giving all
16 types to look at it. To learn to think like other types could help,
but not as good as the real thing. I'm an INFP. I often come into trouble with ENTJs; especially as they periodically happen to be my bosses! I find them shallow salespeople. I can see that they are big picture people, but they seem to be overly ambitious and have a poor understanding of what is realistically involved, in terms of people and resources in undertaking any task. Sledge hammer demands and expectations, insensitive and wise-cracking remarks that feed a starved ego is all I can see. Obviously I am jaded by my INFP disposition. Can you help me see the lighter side of the ENTJ? What you have to remember that type is not an accurate definition of one's personality. You may have met many nice ENTJs already but didn't know they were ENTJs because for you this type is associated with bad personality. Maybe there is a particular breed of ENTJs with bad personality that strive to become bosses in your organisation. But this does not make all ENTJs bad. © Sergei Ganin 2003 |